But not mine. In Christ’s Holy Name It isn’t that God had to make Mary immaculate in order to send his Son into the world. This is what the Church refers to as having divine faith, which includes belief in God and in whatever he reveals–because of the authority of him who reveals it. One early example was Philip, who explained scripture to the Ethiopian eunuch, a superior person who was also humble. Because of this, we celebrate the Feast Day to highlight the significant place Our Lady has in salvation history. I am grateful for your continued words of encouragement and ask for your prayers as I offer my own a the journey we share! “Anne is the traditional name of the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Luke seems to be drawing a parallel between the ark and Mary to show that Christ is the fulfillment of these old testament symbols. 44For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. You can also reference Php 3:20,; Gen 17:16; Gal 4:31 for just a few references to other women, important to our salvation, who are not Mary. “Their offspring- including Mary and Joseph- are born into sin, and subject to death.” So “forbidding to marry”- marriage being a gift from God and never forbidden to the real [Jewish] priesthood- is from men. At one time- when the churches had more political clout than they do now, each would burn the other’s adherents at the stake. First, the Immaculate Conception prepares for the Cross by making Mary a fitting mother for the Son of God, who came to die on the Cross. We have the same parents. “And he shall go no more out -” In any case, “The sinlessness and the assumption are not only not found in scriprure, they direclty contradict- even negate- the reason Jesus came to earth from Heaven, according to the Bible, anyway. None of the authors of the NT mention this and unaware of it. Life for life; perfect man (Jesus only) for perfect man (Adam only); Adamic sin paid off therefore; our own sins paid off by our deaths; resurrection to new life, whether on earth or in Heaven. . My point there is that Bishops gathered to make determinations about what books were inspired (you can thank God for that). Using both the liturgy (the law of worship is the law of belief—lex orandi, lex credenda) and the writings of the Fathers of the first millennium it is clearly among the things that the Church believed. “bible never says that the bible is the sole authority” wrote EjonhE. . (2 Timothy 3:16-17). The Savior of All; the light that lightens the Gentiles; the Christ; the Anointed One; the only Governor of his Church; and the Redeemer of All mankind. John is emphasizing that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant and who, like the Old ark, is now worthy of veneration and praise. I trust and use mine because the stand up to scriptural testing, and their fruitage is Christian and Godly, not from ‘the traditions of men.’ ” What’s the Big Deal About the Immaculate Conception? So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.” In other words, it was always a part of the deposit of faith—that which the Apostles left us—but how it connected to the other truths of the faith still needed to be worked out. They disagree with even your own Catholic Bibles. I live in an age, and a country, wherein the largest single cause of death of infants under one year of age is homicide. Anne and Joachim share a tremendous embrace indicating their great confidence in God that a child will be born, and Anne does conceive. Isaiah 7:14 “Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel” Mary is the daughter of Ann and Joachim, she is not the child of God. So what makes the Immaculate Conception so important that our salvation should hinge on it? What do we mean when we say that the entire Bible is inspired? all his hardships; If God has created other rational physical beings in the universe, it might be of some use to know about them, but that knowledge isn’t essential to our salvation. . “Exodus 25:11-21 – the ark of the Old Covenant was made of the purest gold for God’s Word. And note that “immaculate” is borrowing a magisterium word about Mary and applying it to another object entirely. Rob supports his apostolate by working as a Statistician and teaches bioethics throughout the Diocese of Raleigh. That he has done with the Bible, and I’m inclined to add ‘in spite of, not through, Doctors and Fathers’. I had to delay the mailing a few days while I’m waiting on eye surgery. is a principle of organic structure.’ It should not be confused with the degrees of certainty; it simply means that the different truths of faith are ‘organized’ around a center.” In other words, the idea of a hierarchy of truths is that there are certain beliefs around which all other beliefs orbit. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01538a.htm. (1 Cor 3:2; Heb 5:12,13; 1 Pet 2:2) Luke 1:38, Douay: “And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord: be it done to me according to your word. A sinless Mary is contrary to God’s stated saving purpose in sending Jesus to die. “But that Jerusalem which is above is free: which is our mother” Gal 4:26. Luke 1:56 / 2 Sam. The Immaculate Conception refers to the sanctification of Mary's soul at the moment of its creation, at the moment shewas conceived. Frank Schuster My friends, what do we mean by the Immaculate Conception of Mary? The story of Mary’s birth and details about her aging parents, Joachim and Anne, come from apocryphal writings, but one can see the natural progression of God’s work of salvation here. There is another mode of faith, though . The Immaculate Conception Is About MaryA reader writes: Can you point me in the direction of why the Immaculate Conception is important in regards to salvation? All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness — but not only Scripture. “Yes, it is true that if Adam had not sinned all would still be alive in the Garden.” True, because scriptural. Question: "Why is the Virgin Birth so important?" ” [Mary is] the conceived sinless child of God through Ann” Again, that’s Catholic doctrine, not scripture. That’s true of anything that must be believed by divine faith or by catholic faith, for both are backed by the authority of God. So if we stay with scripture- not “Scripture Catholic”- we’re on neutral ground for a study of God, the God of the Bible. First Isaac to lead a multitude of God’s people, John to prepare God’s people for salvation, and then Mary as the way to bring salvation to earth and finally salvation presents itself as a reality I could go on, but it seems that we may have to agree to disagree on the matter. But it’s also revealed truth for these last days. John 19:26,27, ibid: ” When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and [John], he says to his mother: Woman, behold your son. To know all this and to deliberately reject it would thus be to reject the teaching authority of God, and thus commit a mortal sin. At Rev 3:12 Jesus says, according to my NWT, “The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.” She alone among all the Jews was to escape the edict of King Ahasuerus that all the Jews in his kingdom must be killed. . The Greek word kecharitomene is often translated as “full of grace” but it is more nuanced than that. Acceptance of contraception is an example of the “traditions of men” that Paul warned against, not the sacred traditions he exhorted us to hold fast to by word of mouth or letter. Yes, He could miraculously intervene but then the flesh no longer comes from the woman and she is not a true mother—just an incubator. Amen, noprem, What do you think? We asked a hundred people to define the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. The Immaculate Conception . Why the Immaculate Conception? The ark was made of precious materials and Uzzah was struck dead just for touching it, because of what the ark contained. Amen. “That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work” – My own note: Mary was the first Christian Old Testament – Ark of the covenant was without stain and considered sacred; Enmity (complete opposition, battle with satan) between the ‘woman’ and her ‘offspring.’ Christ is Mary’s offspring – specifically. Assuming all goes well with the eye surgery (prayers appreciated! What does the dogma of the Immaculate Conception entail, and why is it important? @noprem Can something be better than perfect? That is defective discussion, done deliberately. With such strong Scriptural support for the Immaculate Conception, why did it take nearly 1800 years for the Church to declare it as binding dogma? That is definitely a problem for me because the God I know is NOT neutral in that His love and will for us is anything by neutral. It was always believed, but without a direct challenge to its orthodoxy, the Churched lacked some of the necessary clarity to explain how it fit into the deposit of faith. Could you please explain? Now those who say so wish to preserve the honor of Mary in virginity to the end, so that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word . For those who have been exposed to God’s revelation such that they know he has revealed the existence of angels, their salvation does hinge on their believing in angels–not because the doctrine of angels is high up in the hierarchy of truths, and not because it is a truth directly connected with salvation, but because it is a truth God has revealed. “Taken from “Scripture Catholic” … but that’s not part of my theology, nor an obligation for me to read or believe. In fact, knowing about the existence of angels is not dissimilar to knowing about the existence of aliens. I’m just saying that there is more rational support for and consistency within the Catholic faith. God Bless you and keep you. Their inspired prophecies said that false teachings would come into and corrupt true Christianity. Although she was born in the natural biological manner, her conception is believed to be … “Protestants” believe in the Trinity but don’t believe in its logical extension. @noprem That is interesting noprem. Recently to RCC had its annual celebration of the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, which occasion generated this OP. Actually it makes better sense to think of Jesus as the ark and not Mary. And like the Mormons who believe in a great apostacy, Protestantism believes there was a great falling away after Christianity became legal, even though Jesus said the gates of the netherworld would not prevail against his Church (Matt 16:18) and that he would be with us always (Matt 28:20) and that the Spirit of truth would guide them to all truth and declare to them the things that are coming (John 16:13). You’ll recall that Jesus himself said ‘Pray this way: Our father …’; ‘no one comes TO the Father except THROUGH me’ and so forth. You haven’t even supplied an objective basis for determining which scripture is inspired and which is not. I thought that the Immaculate Conception meant that Mary conceived Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit! And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the Virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying, ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl’” (ibid., 8–9). And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband Catholic teaching, but not scriptural teaching. Luke 1:39-45 Start reading Jimmy's best-selling book The Fathers Know Best in under a minute! I am unable to post the full text from the following scriptures, but they are common to all Bibles and demonstrate God’s plan with attention to the ark of the covenant: They dedicate their daughter, Mary, to God, keeping her from sin and evil. (2 Thess 2:15) I think it’s a little presumptuous to say that St. Paul taught you something when (hopefully some day) he will probably tell you that you misunderstood. Why should I trust the list if I no longer trust the doctor who gave it to me? The Immaculate Conception matters today because Mary is the masterpiece of God's creation. In 2 Samuel 6 David exclaims “How can the ark of the Lord come to me”. See my comments on Philip and other exegetes approved by God. 17Then the dragon became angry with the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God’s commandments and bear witness to Jesus. This objection is based on the fact that the Immaculate Conception has been infallibly defined by the Church and so is required belief for Catholics. There is also another way in which the Immaculate Conception reflects the Cross . We, God’s people, by our good works are growing the body of God upon which stands Christ as the head. God’s entire will for the world and us is stated in His prayer. Revelation 2:17 Because of Adam’s transgression, Scripture speaks of all of us as “born in guilt, in sin my mother conceived me” (Ps 51:7). That is why Nadab and Abihu died offering alien fire to the Lord (Lev. Further evidence: “Christ left visible authority. Consider this fact: The Bible discusses angels and the fact that they are rational, non-physical beings created by God. An open heart and mind to the Lord is the best way to live IMHO. Luke 1:43 / 2 Sam. 6:7 – the Ark is so holy and pure that when Uzzah touched it, the Lord slew him. (That, at least, has 1 John 5:7,8 (Douay and KJV) going for it.). As you well know the end and last immaculate conception happens. Take away what we believe about Mary and our faith in Jesus begins to crumble. But here are two ways that seem certain. Anne”: Paul often refers to the Old Testament, and yes it existed before 400 AD. Jesus is the only divine person (2 natures: divine and human). First of all, let’s deal with a common misunderstanding: The Immaculate Conception does not refer to the conception of Christ by the Virgin Mary. “All Scripture…” – at this time would not include the New Testament The proof is that Mary came from a line of sinless and divinely conceived children of God. It’s not one of what theologians would call soteriological beliefs (from “soteriology”–the doctrine of salvation). Otherwise there are no references to her. Wouldn’t matter. “For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. @EJohnE”bible never says that the bible is the sole authority” Yet Paul says, ” Wherefore as by ONE MAN sin entered into this world and by sin death: and so death passed upon all men, in whom ALL have sinned.” Regarding scripture and the assumption, I’m not aware of any passages that infer it. The masterpiece that we constantly strive to be ourselves. What I posted stands, as far as I can see from your response. In Protestantism there is no such authority — it’s as if every man was given the keys to the kingdom and is infallible, or they assign that charism to someone else of their own choosing rather than who Christ chose. The woman and her offspring (a prediction of the virgin birth) will gain ultimate victory over the Serpent by crushing his head, and will enjoy enmity with the Evil One. He has a passion for spreading the joy of the Catholic Faith through teaching. Mat 20:28; Mar 10; 1Ti 2:6. Can’t help you there. A more perfect redeemer is the one who not only rescues mankind from the effects of sin once they are in them but also preserves from falling altogether. What a Time for a Virgin. Direct or indirect contact with the Spirit of God, and even proximity, was lethal to sinners before the death of Christ. You saw the “earlier post” but didn’t pay attention to it. My family will offer prayers for your surgery. blessings. There are many today claiming to fill their shoes; you have your names and I have mine. I am also aware that other canonized saints of the RCC disagreed on various points throughout history, yet they chose the unity over schism. Keep the faith and carry on. I Providentially, we can begin to see what the Holy Spirit had in mind when He waited so long. This means that in order for Mary to be a true mother, she must provide Jesus with all that a mother normally gives to her children, namely her flesh. The disobey and pay the stated penalty for their sin: death. 4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. Symbolic? Adam was the pattern for Jesus to come; a human being in all righteousness; sinless; conceived by God and placed in a sinless vessel to be born and raised according to God’s laws until the time was right that he should become the gift for all mankind; the justification for all sin; the final correction for Adam’s Original Sin in the Garden. The first obstacle was coming to a deeper understanding of Original Sin. 2 Sam. But it was fitting that the mother of Christ be a holy woman, and in fact a woman who was a perfect example of holiness. . . A very important pillar of Catholic teaching is celebrated on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception on December 8. You can get insight into the importance of this by reflecting on the role of physical Jerusalem as the earthly seat of Jehovah’s government under the Jewish system. In order to be the irreconcilable enemy of the serpent and his offspring, Mary had to be free from the power of sin, and to be so from the first moment of her existence.” In other words, enmity means that the devil could have no power over Mary at any point of her existence. In these verses, Mary (the Ark) arose and went / David arose and went to the Ark. It is not important to Protestants, who reject the veneration of saints. Jimmy, thanks for the great reader response to the “Immaculate Conception!” I look forward to the Pope’s book list. This is why the Immaculate Conception is important. And, as history, it goes downhill from there. 8“Arise, LORD, come to your resting place,c At first glance however, the feast that we celebrate today, the Immaculate Conception, appears to be an exception to this rule. Ring. “All scripture, every good work, perfect” [in this case its basic meaning of complete], and so I have found it to be. And Paul was referring to the Hebrew scriptures, commonly called the OT. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac.” Then you pull Rev 3:12 out and ask why Christ mentions “my god” 4 times and other seemingly “I know better or something you don’t know questions’ just to goade me into inflating your ego. Where is the speaker at the time of the speech? @noprem John 2:5, ibid: “His mother says to the waiters: Whatsoever [Jesus] shall say to you, do.” The implications are clear, but not exact. Like you, I believe that there are many things that are inferred or implied or just plain make sense even though they are not explicitly spelled out as I might wish them to be. In fact, this immaculate conception, which distinguishes Mary from our common condition, does not distance her from us but, on the contrary, brings her closer to us. Divine Tradition has been committed to writing, especially by saintly writers called Fathers, who lived in the early centuries but were not inspired, as were those who wrote the Bible It’s akin to asking our own mother to pray for us. – When children are born, they get the nature of their parents. Taken from “Scripture Catholic” There are also many points that opposition to the Catholic Church supports in regard to Mary. So should we leap for joy before Mary the immaculate Ark of the Word made flesh. Doug. From the other posts here one would have no idea that Paul thought anything of his or other letters; just “traditions”, which are never mentioned. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.” ‘Sharing the gospel’ means sharing the good news of the kingdom. Which means that the RCC claim to find the Assumption anywhere in scripture is ingenuous- or something else. Compared to the the Trinity, the central mystery of the Christian faith, the Immaculate Conception is lower down on what the Second Vatican Council referred to as the “hierarchy of truths.”, This is illustrated, among other ways, by the fact that the Immaculate Conception was not infallibly defined until 1854. “According to Ephiphanius it was maintained even in the fourth century by some enthusiasts that St. Anne conceived without the action of man.” My, my. By declaring that only one such human person was born that way, the Holy Spirit was speaking truth not just about Mary but about mankind. Go out and assemble the widowers of the people and let them bring each his rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. Who on earth is the “Philip” who is misleading you so? You think Catholics way-overemphasize tradition. Has Divine Tradition ever been committed to writing? Immaculate Conception Why this Doctrine is Important Fr. That means ‘no sex’, which the news reminds us is not the case with many priests, then or now. The Immaculate Conception is 8 December each year. Wycliffe and his kind were persecuted by the RCC for daring to translate the Bible into the common language of the people. The Promise; the reward for faithfulness. 16 He will bring back many of the people of Israel to the Lord their God. Making up commentary to fit their beliefs; I thought only JWs did that. Who here will admit the necessity of teaching and doing Mt 24:14, from Jesus himself? If you believe- AS THE OP STATES- that Mary was assumed into Heaven in our distant past, then she is not battling with anyone. The ark contained symbols of the old covenant — manna, the staff of Aaron, and the tablets of the law; In Mary’s womb was Christ — the Bread of Life, the new law, and the one priest. I believe you’ll find it thus: Doug, @noprem 1 Tm 4:1-5 KJV @noprem In my experience, Christians believe in a triune God (Holy Trinity). There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. Peace of Christ and the Holy Spirit be with you. Now maybe someone will say that I am distorting the scriptures above. He promised to do so in David’s psalm: “But the just shall inherit the land, and shall dwell therein for evermore.” He has Become God and all treasure is dispensed through and by him…Ephesians..1;22 23 Christ is the Head of the Church (KOG) which is Gods Body. The study is coming along nicely. Those are the only true [scripturally verifiable] statements in your post. (A man who wrote none of the scriptures.) As such, it is obligatory for us, not because it is a truth at the top of the hierarchy of truths, not because it is directly connected with how to be saved, but because it has been infallibly proposed by the Church using the authority given to her by God. Does Magisterium’s understanding of the language mean that “my God” does NOT mean “my God”? It is not just because she was pure and a virgin, but that God had patiently orchestrated it and put the entire process into place so that Mary’s sinlessness and purity was able to finally accomplish what God wanted for the world. “Jesus never tells us what scriptures are inspired” Really? On what basis is the Gospel of Thomas or other writings that were circulating excluded? Revelation 2:7 It is not uncommon in the New Testament to represent the church as a temple, and Christians as parts of it. Has Divine Tradition the same force as the Bible? @noprem And the name of the city from that time on shall be, The Lord Is There.” If anything, your basis is circular: an authority on the proper role and interpretation of scripture and in determining what is or isn’t scripture is based on whether or not it stands up to your test of what you’ve already come to believe the scriptures are and what they mean. The following scriptures provide a look at Mary’s role in salvation: Thank you! It reminds us that Mary must be constantly present in our daily life because no other human or spiritual being created by God is as wholly united to the Holy Spirit as Mary; She is the immaculate spouse of the Holy Spirit. Cutting to the chase: Let’s see what a study of a simpler text tells us. @mblouin @noprem The Church is the temple; Christ is the foundation on which it is built; and his ministers are the Pillars by which, under him, it is adorned and supported. “But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent his Son, made of a woman, made under the law: That HE [Jesus] might redeem them who were under the law” Paul doesn’t even say that his letter is one of the inspired scriptures that he is referring to. After he has done so HE says “I will no longer Drink of the Vine (Israel) until I drink it NEW in my FaTHERS kINGDOM”, aka the Kingdom of God(KOG)… Jesus also says In the Kingdom of Heaven I was as one Eating and drinking, harvesting)but in the Kingdom of GOD I will be as One who SERVES!! Luke 1:39-45 also parallels 2 Samuel 6 in many ways. (Mr 7:9). Therefore, tradition as referred to by St. Paul, should be kept. Israel”. 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